If I had to choose the most controversial and debate provoking femdom activity, I think it would come down to a run-off between scat play and forced bisexuality. I’ve posted about the former in the past and, after stumbling across the picture below, I thought it might now be time for a post on the latter.
I should be clear that the majority of my comments here relate to forced-bi in the context of pro-dommes, or casual play, rather than lifestyle relationships. I think the lifestyle dynamics are so complex and unique to each circumstance that it’s impossible to make the kind of sweeping generalities that I’m about to.
The first issue that arises for pro-dommes in this context is a legal one. If money is being exchanged for a man to be part of a scene and perform a sexual act then the domme opens herself up to prosecution under pimping and pandering laws. Those are charges that can carry very significant penalties.
Outside of the practical legal issues, I’ve also observed that some dommes have a more philosophical problem with this activity. The idea behind a forced-bi scene is that the submissive shouldn’t really enjoy it at the primary sexual level. He might get off on the idea pleasing his mistress, or with the power exchange involved, or the humiliation, but sexy fun isn’t supposed to be part of the plan. However, I’ve heard numerous dommes report that men use these kind of scenes as an excuse for doing something they secretly really want to do anyway. Five minutes into the scene and the domme is suddenly taking a backseat to the two guys getting it on. This not only undercuts the femdom ethos, it’s also manipulative and hypocritical, forcing a woman into a fake role because a man can’t admit his real desires. In fact it puts the domme firmly into the role of the pimp that the law would allege she is.
On the submissive side of the coin, forced-bi is one of the most polarizing activities in terms of the reaction it provokes. Typically when confronted with the idea of an undesirable activity, the standard male submissive response seems to be “Not really my thing, but whatever….” However, suggest forced-bi as the activity, and you’re likely to get a much more visceral and violent reaction from those not into it. For many men it is a fundamental hard limit that they dislike even talking about, let alone one that they are open to negotiating.
Personally, the idea forced-bi as it’s commonly portrayed (like the image below) doesn’t do a lot for me. This is not because I’m fundamentally opposed to the idea of another man in a scene with me. I think cuckolding scenarios can be hot, as can sissy play and gender switching. Even being topped by a dominant couple might be an interesting thing to try. But forced-bi as a kind of humiliation or punishment activity with another submissive somehow doesn’t really click with me as a femdom dynamic.
I’m afraid I don’t have an original source for this image. I found it on domme pics.
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I’m with you, as expected, on this one. And I think you mention the motivating factor for males wired like you (and me), i.e., it’s for Her pleasure, it’s to serve and please Her.
Not my thing, but, as I’ve written on some posts, for the right Domina, in the right context, it could happen.
Not for a steady bf bull, but more like a party favor or exhibition for to publicly demonstrate her power over me.
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Hi Paltego:
I am with you on this one as well. In fact scat and forced bi were on my list of hard limits as a client. My Mistress at the time enjoyed popping cherries and I got exposed to a lot but any activity that could potentially expose me to disease was not open for discussion. I agree that many clients who request forced bi are not really being forced at all. They are asking for permission to enjoy something they have always secretly desired in the first place.
In my case, there is zero desire to pursue outside the context of the femdom scenario, but much within. Its like pegging — I don’t desire to walk around with a dildo up my ass, but when my owner requires it, it is hot. This is something which acquires its hotness from her ordering it. It would not matter if it were a cuckolding scene or a casual scenario, and yes, it would still be forced.
Saratogo, hmp, sub2mgi,
Thanks for your comments and thoughts. I’ve been pondering this a little more since writing the post and reading your responses. And I should be clear of course that everything is unique to the individual and it’s always a personal perspective. Hopefully that should go without saying.
For me (unlike hmp) it’s not a particular hard limit. I wouldn’t object, but I also don’t think it’d do much for me. It wouldn’t be humiliating, and so (unlike for sub2mgi) it wouldn’t really be really forced (in the sense used here). It’d just be kind of ‘sure but why…’
I’ve been trying to figure out why I think some variations are hot (e.g. cuckold or a party favor as saratogo suggests) and some aren’t (e.g. threesome type scene shown in image). And I think it comes down to a service v’s masochism thing.
I’ve posted in the past that I’m not really into service submission. I’ll happily organize and take care of stuff in the most efficient way possible, but me personally cleaning or washing or polishing just sounds like drudgery. On the other hand, a mistress being particularly cruel or sadistic to me is hot. So a cuckold scenario or a party slut scenario is attractive at some level because it seems emotionally cruel. Where the more standard forced-bi scenario seems more like a task (that cock is not going to suck itself!).
I also think context is king here. Saratogo mentions ‘for the right domme’ and sub2mgi talks about ‘my owner’ both of which imply a very close connection to the mistress. That definitely shifts the dynamic away from the more standard pro-domme scene I was originally thinking and writing about. Even in a more service type dynamic there obviously has to be the feedback path to make it clear the service is appreciated.
Interesting area. Thanks again for the comments.
– paltego
Very interesting discussion. FWIW, I think the most controversial thing a mistress can force her slave to do is to be honest with himself. That means he must not hide his submissive nature and slave status from anyone, not neighbors, co-workers, family members, etc.
Leland,
That’s certainly a tricky and controversial area. Although I think it’s very context dependent.
Personally, as a single guy with no family, living in a liberal part of the world, it wouldn’t be a huge deal. My friends are all open minded, and a number of them know my proclivities anyway.
But I can see in a lot of other circumstances it’d be a very big issue. “Outing” someone (or forcing them to out themselves) always seems controversial, whatever the sexuality being exposed.
Thanks for the comment.
– paltego
I think the image and the production of forced-bi very nice. Portraying a man in complete and total submission to their domme.
Often the psychological domination can happen. Domme with saying that if he did not behave well can do it suck another man.
Love your blog! This is from Russian Mistress I think and it’s not a strictly forced-bi scene. It’s from a cuckold sequence. From a cuckolding perspective, kind of hot I think. More like this here: http://cuckolds.femdomworld.com/03/02/fsr869795/?903
Thanks. Glad you like the blog. Can completely believe this is a cuckold sequence. Images from those two approaches can often look similar.
Normaly forced bi does not interest me but with a very sexy mistress such as the one in this picture I would never say no. I think a good prerequisite to forced bi is being forced to consume ALL of your own cum, every time you have an orgasm. One quickly learns respect.